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Us and Them

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After reading and commenting on another friend’s blog, I made reference to a song lyric that seemed apropos of the topic regarding trouble and protests we are seeing brewing around the world, and in seeking out the lyric, I gave it another full more thorough read.  Although it was written nearly 40 years ago, it seemed rather relevant, so I thought I would take a quick diversion and post the entire song here, along with its lyrics.

Us and Them – Pink Floyd



Us and Them
And after all we’re only ordinary men.

Me and you
God only knows it’s not what we would choose to do.

“Forward!” he cried from the rear
And the front rank died.
The Generals sat, and the lines on the map
Moved from side to side.

Black and Blue
And who knows which is which and who is who?

Up and Down
And in the end it’s only round and round and round.

“Haven’t you heard it’s a battle of words?”
The poster bearer cried.
“Listen son” said the man with the gun,
“There’s room for you inside!”

Down and Out
It can’t be helped but there’s a lot of it about.

With, without
And who’ll deny it’s what the fighting’s all about?

Get out of the way, it’s a busy day
And I’ve got things on my mind.
For want of the price of tea and a slice
The old man died.


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  1. October 22, 2011 at 4:04 pm

    Yes, the song does sum it all up. What’s recently happened has been deeply disturbing to me; the contradictions, the lives we put on the line to access certain conveniences, etc. So far away from where we ought to be…so far…

    • October 23, 2011 at 11:40 pm

      It’s so very difficult to mesh reality with the ideal. I’m not a naive person and understand that the world is not a nice place, and in need of defending certain liberties and rights we have. Invariably, power and influence – money as a primary means to both, manage to poison the well. We’ve a long way to go to get to utopia for sure. Yet I can’t help but dream about it, because it sets our inner course, pointing us in the right direction.

  2. October 22, 2011 at 4:15 pm

    History repeats itself. Humans, as a whole, not individuals, rarely learn from the past. It is a sad truth.

    Still, there are shining lights that help to keep carrying us forward, we have to find the good, the light, and keep striving. I’m hoping one day it will out for us all.

    • October 23, 2011 at 11:41 pm

      I agree with you on finding the good, and focusing on it. You know me Carol, an eternal optimist.

  3. October 22, 2011 at 6:27 pm

    I find it utterly sad that some things never change…
    History repeats & repeats & repeats….
    Why? I ask myself this question.
    Sometimes we are hardly human at all…


    • October 23, 2011 at 11:53 pm

      I often wonder the same Kim. No easy answers for sure.

  4. October 22, 2011 at 7:33 pm

    Beautiful Pink Floyd number, Thanks for sharing………… 🙂

    • October 23, 2011 at 11:53 pm

      You’re welcome.

  5. October 22, 2011 at 7:37 pm

    The more things change, the more they stay the same. The lyrics seem prophetic, except the same kind of crazy stuff was happening then. I keep thinking we need a good alien invasion to get us all united. Natural disaster just don’t seem catastrophic enough anymore…

    • October 23, 2011 at 11:57 pm

      I certainly understand about uniting under a common threat such as a good alien invasion (wouldn’t that be a bad alien invasion?). Yet the action itself further fuels the argument that part of our genetic code is wired to survive, and that it may take violence to do so. Perhaps our own conflicts are caused by that kind of genetic code within us. We can dream of an ideal state, but deep down inside, there are always those chromosomes that lie dormant…

  6. Androgoth
    October 22, 2011 at 7:49 pm

    An excellent posting Phil and with the added excellence of this Pink Floyd offering you have certainly made a very good point… It might be forty years old but there’s plenty of the same ridiculousness going on around the globe, if only things would change and for the better… You know, one must always strive for optimism though and so that is what we will do my wickedly fine friend, positivity against negativity is always the best way forwards 🙂

    Have a great rest
    of weekend now Phil 🙂


    • October 23, 2011 at 11:59 pm

      Thank you Androgoth. I hope you too have a fantastic week (since my reply is late).

  7. October 23, 2011 at 1:58 am

    Very thought-provoking. Until we get rid of this mentality, we’ll never find peace in the world.

    • October 24, 2011 at 12:03 am

      I agree. I fear however that the scarcity mentality is deeply programmed into our genetic code and not easily overcome. That is not to say it is impossible, for as humans, we have the ability to adapt and change.

  8. jennygoth
    October 23, 2011 at 10:13 am

    peace will never be in anyones life time its not meant to be when one country or race are at peace another is not and this is how it is true peace only comes when life ends a sad thought phil xxjen

    • October 24, 2011 at 12:04 am

      I will remain an eternal optimist jen. We may in fact not find peace until we die, but we can certainly strive for it.

  9. October 23, 2011 at 10:24 am

    Qur’an 3:64-71 Surah Ale-‘Imran (The Family of ‘Imran)
    Say: “O people of the Book! come to common terms as between us and you: that we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with Him; that we erect not from among ourselves Lords and patrons other than Allah.” If then they turn back say: “Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah’s will).”
    Ye people of the Book! why dispute ye about Abraham when the Law and the Gospel were not revealed till after him? Have ye no understanding?
    Ah! ye are those who fell to disputing (even) in matters of which ye had some knowledge! but why dispute ye in matters of which ye have no knowledge? It is Allah Who knows and ye who know not!
    Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian but he was true in faith and bowed his will to Allah’s (which is Islam) and he joined not gods with Allah.
    Without doubt among men the nearest of kin to Abraham are those who follow him as are also this Apostle and those who believe; and Allah is the Protector of those who have faith.
    It is the wish of a section of the People of the Book to lead you astray. But they shall lead astray (not you) but themselves and they do not perceive!
    Ye People of the Book! Why reject ye the Signs of Allah of which ye are (yourselves) witnesses?
    Ye People of the Book! Why do ye clothe truth with falsehood and conceal the truth while ye have knowledge?

  10. October 23, 2011 at 1:30 pm

    Hi Phil,
    Great post and great song. those song lyrics could have been written today…nothing much has changed for the better in 40 years as far as wars, violence and crime, poverty..etc all worse.
    It’s not supposed to be that way, where is the progress of 40 years?

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    Big hug, Nikki

    • October 24, 2011 at 12:08 am

      Oh my! I’m flattered immensely to be given an award. I’ll modestly nod in gratitude, and humbly pass on it though. I do realize it is intended to help people become more aware of other people’s blogs, but I’ve never been much of an award fan. I hope you will understand.

      I prefer to join events like your Halloween guest book thing, which is voluntary and far more fun. That is what I look forward to.

  11. October 24, 2011 at 3:32 am

    The reality of war is confusing, confounding …the cataclysm. Great post.

  12. October 24, 2011 at 7:23 am

    Bonfires burning bright
    Pumpkin faces in the night
    I remember halloween
    Dead cats hanging from poles
    Little dead are out in groves
    I remember halloween
    I will return
    Im from Nikki halloween guestbook event
    Hugs Noelle

    • October 26, 2011 at 11:37 am

      Thank you Noelle. I need to get moving on a Halloween Trick or Treat quickly. It’s rapidly approaching!

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